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| Can't stop thinking about PotC 3; really confused | |
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| Topic Started: May 27 2007, 08:50 PM (698 Views) | |
| piraterocker24 | May 27 2007, 08:50 PM Post #1 |
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Okay, Well...Here i go. I did not like thee entire ending of PotC 3. How does Elizabeth end up without Will Turner. Why can she not stay on the Flying Dutchman with Will. and did anybody but me feel that Elizabeth was a complete moron in the 3rd movie.. she was somewhat of a jerk to Will throughout the entire movie (of course untill they got married) And i am still very pleased. yet, something seems missing and im not sure if i am the only one who actually feels it. But, there is not PotC without Kiera Knightly and Orlando Bloom. <_< <_< |
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| topcatdk | May 27 2007, 10:31 PM Post #2 |
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You hit a point I wondered about when I first read some spoilers: Will can’t go on land, but why couldn’t Liz simply visit the Dutchman for a few days or perhaps stay there. Watching the movie didn’t really solve the mystery except a quote by Will, he mentions she can’t come with them to the places they have to go. So one might assume that you can only return from the land of the dead if you are part of the transport crew (i.e. the Dutchman).. Hmmm don’t know if this makes since on close inspection though. |
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| swedishfish67 | May 27 2007, 11:29 PM Post #3 |
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I wondered that the first time around too. I was like, why can't she just stay on board with them? But the second time round Bootstrap Bill says to Will at the end, "...and where we are going, she cannot follow. That's the rules: 10 years at sea, one day on land." And Will says, "Depends on the one day." I THINK it goes like that. I'm not sure why she can't stay with him. It must have something to do with having to be a part of the Dutchman to go back and forth like that and not die, or something. But all of the crewmembers... because Davy's dead, aren't their debts paid? How do they still get to stay on? Bootstrap offered to stay on, so he's in. But what of the rest? |
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| Kirebz Bashkey | May 28 2007, 12:35 AM Post #4 |
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Perhaps with their depts repaid, they stay on the ship hitching a hike to that place beyond? They got in dept because Davey Jones could prospone their judgement until that moment. Technically they were already dead, but had their souls bound to the ship instead of passing on. A little elaboration on that:
When you die at sea you will find yourself in Davey's Locker, just like Jack and the souls we saw passing by under water or, like Gov. Swan, in a boat. That's why Barbossa steered everyone over the world's edge; only the souls of the dead can enter. The purpose of Davey Jones, given to him by Calypso, is guiding the souls of the ones that had died at sea from his locker to the place beyond. The reason Davey Jones became a monster was his refusal to do so because of the resentment he held for Calypso after she broke his heart. He offered the dieing a choice; not between their physical life or death in this world, but about the path of their souls. I think only the ones in debt with Davey jones had their souls made part of the Flying Dutchman, so they would not have to reside in the locker waiting to pass on. Their path became momentarily altered thus prosponing their judgement. Only they or the ones who's path was not set towards judgement and the place beyond could travel out of the locker and back to the world of the living. So to answer that question; Elizabeth can't come with him, she's alive, her soul is still in this world and her path not yet set on existing beyond. |
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| mttomb | May 28 2007, 05:03 AM Post #5 |
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Even though I get why Elizabeth cannot go with the Dutchman, it still seems that Will could come back to the land of the living every once in a while for a booty call, and they could meet on the ocean so that he's not breaking the rules, but that could just be me. A bunch of people at work actually want Elizabeth to go out to sea and kill herself so she can become a part of the Dutchman's crew and be with Will. Am I the only one who finds it depressing that Will's stuck in the land of the dead shuffling souls for all eternity? Oh, and for some reason I find it really funny that it's now William Turner's Locker. Doesn't sound quite as menacing, lol. |
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| Kirebz Bashkey | May 28 2007, 02:16 PM Post #6 |
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He cannot do this because not only will that be breaking the rules but he would also neglect his responsibility. He's not supposed to even be in the land of the living; he has a job to do in the locker, guiding the souls that find their way there to the afterlife. It's just once every ten years he gets a day off.
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| Admin | May 28 2007, 02:23 PM Post #7 |
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I don't find it as depressing as I would have found it had it been anyone else. Not because I think William should be punished or anything, but because I think that if anyone could take pride in doing that job, and get satisfaction from it, it's him. Also, I suspect him being away a lot is the only way for him to keep his relationship with Elizabeth. They had issues already, and would have had many more. This way, they actually stay together, if not literally together all the time. And I think that maybe Will likes it - pining after Elizabeth, I mean. He'd been doing it for ages, and still managed. And now he knows for sure that she loves him too, so yay for him.
OMG, it is! It's Binky's Locker!
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| swedishfish67 | May 28 2007, 03:41 PM Post #8 |
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I like all of your points, Reb, that makes a lot of sense. At first I thought his fate was really depressing, too. Doing that FOREVER, at least until someone stabs you? Even for me, who dislikes Will, thats kind of a sad fate. But DutchS, you also have good points there... hmmm. I'm not sure what I think anymore. I think the biggest thing for me is that it is no longer Davy's ship. Davy had been captain of the Dutchman for like, an eternity - it's HIS ship, its HIS locker (:lol: Although Binky's locker is extremely funny when you put it that way), its HIS thing to go around and menace the seas. I think Will should at least rename the ship. I mean "Omg! The sea devil: It's William Turner, the captain of the Flying Dutchman!" Isnt nearly the same effect - even if, after words gets around, they look at him as a good guy rather than the devil. But its still sad to me: Even if Davy had gone corrupt, it was still his ship and his duties and his "burden to bear". He was horribly betrayed. Its sad that no one was even remotely sad in the movie after he died. |
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| ElvenLight | May 28 2007, 03:50 PM Post #9 |
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Hmmm. So you believe that if they had been able to be together at the end of the movie, their relationship would have suffered? It's an interesting theory. More than once in the movies, they both have problems with trust and communication. So now they can have each other, but not all the time, which is more likely to keep them together. I guess it's an example of how the wanting of something is often more exciting than the possessing of it.
Oh my. That is too funny! |
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| Monkey | May 28 2007, 05:31 PM Post #10 |
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That makes it sound something like Pee Wee's Playhouse.
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| Explosive Calm | May 28 2007, 05:42 PM Post #11 |
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I was a bit "why?" but then I remembered what Davy said in DMC, which was something like "you're neither dead nor dying, what are you doing here?" which pretty much says that only dead people can join, that's why Davy gave Norrington a choice, I guess if Will really wanted he could just stab Elizabeth a few times and then she can stay on board, you do have to remember that the ship goes underwater so you'd have to be undead to survive that trip, maybe he just wanted her to live, it's sweet, and I'm sure they can still mail each other, he just has to get someone else to go to the local post office and send that thing to her, and hope that his ink is water resistant.
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| swedishfish67 | May 28 2007, 05:44 PM Post #12 |
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 Knowing Binky, he'd probably write in regular ink and Liz would get it, and it'd be all smeared, haha. Just kidding. I like your thinking, Calm
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| Kirebz Bashkey | May 28 2007, 06:13 PM Post #13 |
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I'm not sure being undead would quite do the trick when i compare the cursed Barbossa with squidfaced Davey Jones. Hmm.. maybe there are different degree's of undead? But i kind of view Davey Jones to be truly dead. The only thing that keeps his soul from passing on to the after life is because it's bound to the ship so he would be able to preform his duty. When being in the world of the living, he doesnt come back to life.. its just a physical manifestation of his soul, but it's no longer the actual vessel that contains it. I think the cursed pirates still had their souls imprisoned in their undead shells. It could not pass on to the other world they were not dead or dying, but it could not affect the world of the living either. The cursed undead didn't feel or taste anything. Davey Jones on the other hand kept his heart far away from his ship, so he would not feel the pain of a broken heart. His soul was active. |
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| mttomb | May 29 2007, 04:59 AM Post #14 |
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It's true, I'm sure he does a great job of it, and makes sure that everyone gets to where they need to go, but still, day after day of, "I died?!?!" "Am I dead?" "Where am I going?" must get tiring. It's like, "People, I'm only doing my job! I don't even like dead people! Give me a break!"  Naw, I'm sure he did a great job. If anyone can take the responsibility seriously, it's Will.  Yeah, he had been pining after her since he was 12-ish, so it's not a new thing, although now he's experienced her once, wonder if pining after her was harder or easier after that, lol. Anyway, they definitely did have issues. They needed to open the lines of communication. But, I have to wonder... I mean, they seemed okay between CotBP and DMC... unless horrible fish men are out to get them, do they have those problems?
What is their "normal" relationship like? Sadly we never really get to see an average day for them of, "Where's my dinner?" "Make your own d*mn dinner!"
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| swedishfish67 | May 29 2007, 09:27 PM Post #15 |
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I agree, and its actually a pretty fundamental point. Since these are movies, we only truly see these characters interact under bizarre, action-packed, and life threatening circumstances. Will and Liz have been brought together by a series of well, unfortunate events - and since then, we've only ever seen them acting under pressure. Not to say they don't have regular problems that are enhanced by this - communication is a big one - but Tomb's right, as the audience we've never seen day to day average interaction. Its like Liz and Jack: their chemistry was good, but for the wrong reasons. Liz was after what Jack represented, combined with what she'd been through with him. Not after Jack himself (or so I keep telling myself as an anti Jack/Liz shipper hahaha)
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