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| Liz's Wedding Dress; The significance? | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 2 2006, 01:44 AM (690 Views) | |
| swedishfish67 | Dec 2 2006, 01:44 AM Post #1 |
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Bloo and I just went to see DMC for our 7th and 8th times, respectively (:lol:) and we were noticing, not for the first time, that Liz's wedding dress makes many, many appearances.. I'll try to think of them all.. On her at the wedding. On her as she escapes from PR. Thought to be haunted by the crewmen. Flying around outside for the "sign". Back on the ship, where Will sees it on the chair. The guy holds it up during the Kraken attack. Floating away after the Kraken attacks. Sinking into the water, right before "curiousity" scene. We were thinking - some of these appearances are regular, expected. But some of them seem to serve a larger point. Especially later, when the dress is sinking before "curiousity". The Davy Jones music box music plays then. What significance do you think it serves, if any? I was thinking it might be a sort of symbol for lost love.. Will and Liz, and Davy Jones and Calypso. Hmm.. |
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| BlooKazoo77 | Dec 2 2006, 02:01 AM Post #2 |
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I'd have to agree with you there. like, all of those scenes have something to do with Will and Liz, Jack and Liz, or Davy Jones and Tia Dalma. I'm thinking it must be for lost love since all of those times have something to do with it.....sort of.... well, idk...that's my opinion. 
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| pirategirl0306 | Dec 2 2006, 04:14 AM Post #3 |
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I definitely think it holds some significance, and I think you guys are on the right track! The second to last time we see it, right after the Kraken attack, Davy Jones is looking at it as it floats in the water. I don't remember if the music was playing during that part, but he has a very faraway look in his eye, as if he was remembering something important and somewhat painful. Since his heart is no longer inside his body, he supposedly can't feel the pain, but I'm sure he can still feel the emotion (think of Jack telling him about Will and Elizabeth about to be married). The dress, to DJ anyway, probably was reminding him of his lost love. Maybe making him think of what would have happened if they had gotten married. Very deep.
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| will_k_williams | Dec 2 2006, 07:12 PM Post #4 |
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The scene where the dress is in the sea after the kraken's attack reminds me of Lizzie's cliff drop in CotBP. When Jack rescues her he rips her dress off and there is a nice underwater shot of the dress drifting away. There probably is more significance to it but I thought it was among the subtler references to the first film. Will |
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| JackMallory | Dec 10 2006, 06:03 PM Post #5 |
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I think even though DJ tore out his heart, he can still feel. The reason I think that is because of the raw emotions on his face when Jack talks to him about Will being in love and then again when he sees the dress floating in the water and undoubtedly thought of his own woman who had broken his heart. I think when DJ tore out his heart, he THOUGHT (and still wishes) that it would stop him from feeling, but he still does feel, though he tries not to -- notice how he instantly conjures anger toward his crewman who comes up to him when DJ is pondering over the floating wedding dress. He wanted to hide his deep emotions from himself and the crewman and used anger to do so. |
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| Brookworm | Dec 10 2006, 06:16 PM Post #6 |
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I agree JM. I was thinking while watching the other day that the reason he pours his heart out (no pun intended) while playing the organ is because of the anger and pain, he's trying to tear it out all over again, but his real heart is already gone. |
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| Choccie | Dec 10 2006, 06:31 PM Post #7 |
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You know, I so hadn't considered that before... Or maybe I had, but only as a passing thought. But it make sense, otherwise Davy would be like some droid dude... And you see quite a few emotions on his face, not least sadness- satisfaction, pleasure (mostly when other people are being hurt)... It's kind of like the cursed pirates from COTBP- everybody throught that they couldn't feel a thing but it seems they could, they just couldn't enjoy that feeling in an emotional sense (such as when Barbossa says "It's still warm" about the dress and Pintel screams when he has the embers from the warming pan dropped on him). Hmm... actually, on second thought, it's kinda the opposite... Do you see what I mean though? |
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| Monkey | Dec 20 2006, 12:43 AM Post #8 |
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Concerning the part where the dress is floating to the bottom of the ocean right before the curiosity scene, I like to go back to Lord Beckett's line where he says, "A marriage interrupted... or fate intervenes?" I think it's a little foreshadowing that the much anticipated Will/Elizabeth wedding may not actually happen. (okay, so I'm a Jack/Liz shipper. Sue me!) |
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| Stormy Lass | Apr 9 2007, 03:35 PM Post #9 |
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I see what you guys are saying, but I think it's just like Jack's hat - something they continue to show because they can. The dress itself is actually used as a device to move the story along in some of its appearances - such as when the sailors find it on the boat and think it belongs to a ghost - this gives Elizabeth the idea of how to get them to Tortuga. And again, in the scene where she uses her idea, the dress shows up in the execution of her plan. So a lot of the time, it's essential to the plot. I think the only real metaphorical significance of the dress showing up over and over is the idea that we're moving further and further away from Will and Elizabeth's wedding (and closer and closer to the fact that she's a lying, backstabbing, murdering ho... Oops, did I say that out loud? Sorry, guys, I just really don't like the turn in character in the latter half of the movie...). Will the wedding happen or not? Who knows? I personally think it will, mainly because it's a Disney movie, and generally the Disney movies are very into playing up the love at first sight, destiny, and ethical non-homewrecker stuff (good for them, I say!). But as for the dress? Well, Liz will just have to have Daddy buy her a new one, won't she? What a pity. :rolleyes: |
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| katiepotcdepp | Apr 20 2007, 10:55 AM Post #10 |
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I agree, I think the wedding will happen aswell. I think the dress is used realy well when Liz is trying to get the sailors to Tortuga. I realy like that part. |
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| themonkey'snameisJack | Dec 21 2009, 09:07 AM Post #11 |
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That was really stupid the part when they're like,"She's probably naked!" The part when the dress was sinking made it look a lot like a giant jellyfish What did that part mean? maybe to show what happened to the dress? Maybe in the fourth movie they're stranded on this island and Jacks sees this white thing on the incoming tide He goes over to it and VOILA it's the WEDDING DRESS!!! Next scene shows Liz on her island place being delivered a package by Cotton's parrot, she opens it and VOILA, IT'S THE DRESS!!! Random... |
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